13 July, 2010

Samyang 85mm f1.4 AE IF UMC Aspherical

I've been using the 2nd version of the popular Samyang 85mm f/1.4 lens with electronic chip for over a month, and as you can see from the pics below, the lens screams bokeh! I bought mine for 300€ and got the Samyang UV filter for free. At the same time my dealer was selling the Nikkor AF 85mm f/1.4D for 1200€ while used copies of the Ais version were going for 800€, so as you can see, the Samyang is a realy cheap investment. The question is how does it perform?
What can I say, I love this lens. Its plenty sharp but what really sets it apart from others is it's creamy smooth bokeh.
Samyang
Third party manufacturers, especially those from Russia and Korea, usually produce budget-priced lenses (usually zooms) for the lower-end of the consumer market. But strangely enough, sometimes, these manufacturers can come up with a nice offering, like the Russian 35mm tilt and shift lens from Kiev or the subject of this review, the Samyang 85mm f1.4 AE IF UMC Aspherical. Although my copy is designed and made by Samyang, it is sold under a multitude of brand names, including Bower, Rokinon, Polar, Falcon, and others.
The long box contains the lens, an instruction manual, a soft bag, front and rear lens caps, and a bayonet-mount lens hood that does not obstruct the 72mm lens filter thread. No surprises here. I would advize getting a modern nikon made lens cap (with the recessed slots) since placing and removing the samyang made cap is nearly impossible with large fingers like i have. The hood is plastic,and seems to do a fine job at controlling stray light. The hood also reverses over the lens for better space saving in your camera bag.
The background in this image was very busy, and yet, the Samyang was able to smooth it all away.
100% screen grab - dont forget, this is a moving subject

TECHNICAL SPECIFICATION:
  • Focal Length: ...................................  85 mm
  • Aperture Max: .................................   f/1.4
  • Field of vision: .................................   28.3 o
  • Focusing distance: ...........................  Minimum 1m
  • Minimum aperture: ..........................  22
  • Number of aperture blades: ............  8
  • Construction: .................................... 9 elements /7 groups
  • Filter size: ......................................... 72 mm
  • Dimensions: ..................................... 78 x 72.2 mm
  • Weight: ............................................  513 g
  • Additional information: ...................  1 Aspherical element
Description
If you have handled an AF 85mm f/1.4 Nikkor before, then this lens will be surprisingly small, on the other hand, if all you have ever used is a couple of slow zooms, then the lens may seem large. Either way, this is a nice size and feels very well suited on a Nikon d700 with or without the battery pack. It also looks good, with its big front multicoated element glowing and ready for action. Amazingly, for the price you get an all metal construction, plenty of quality glass, including an aspheruical element and what seems to be a very good manual focusing mechanism that i have fallen in love with. Overall, the whole lens construction feels very solid and precise.

Handling
On first contact, the initial impression is very good since it no way feels cheap. At first, i thought the focusing throw was too long and too stiff, (this is what happens after years of focusing manually with modern AF lenses) but after some little use, one gets used to the authentic manual focusing feel of the past that so many have forgotten. You need two thumb throws from closest focus distance (1m) to infinity which is very good since your actual working throw can be handled by the limited movement of your thumb & index finger. The focusing ring is well damped and has a nice to the touch rubber grip. Of course manual focusing is a lot easier with a pro-specced viewfinder or/and the appropriate focusing screen. Overall, the lens handles superbly with very smooth and precise focusing. Precise here meaning that it offers the necessary resistance to allow for precise focusing.

One negative point about the samyang is the fact that it doesn't provide a minimum apertutre lock. If the ring does move accidently away from minimum aperture, then FEE will apear in the viewfinder and top LCD warning the photographer of the error. No big deal since i havent had any issues yet. I dont use the aperture ring since this version of the lens comes with an electronic chip which handles all communication with the camera. All data necessary for light measurement and aperture control are transmitted to the camera body. Flash is also fully usable and most importantly, all relevant lens paramaeters are displayed in EXIF. Like most modern lenses this optic is an internal focus design, meaning that the front element doesn't rotate or that the lens body racks in or out while focusing.
An excellent lens for street photography as well! Of course, focusing is easy, once mastered!
Optical construction and aberrations
Surprise-surprise, for a mere 300€ you get one of the most modern and complex designs in its class. Not only does it comprise of 9 elements arranged in 7 groups, but it also includes an aspherical element. This aspherical element ensures a smaller, more compact and lighter lens which in other words also means that it can be designed with fewer lens surfaces, so there is also less potential for internal reflection. But its main advantage is that it offers superb optical performance by eliminating sagittal, or arrow shaped, coma, even at its widest aperture. And that’s not all, since Samyang has also provided this lens with very good multi-layered and anti-reflective coatings (UMC - Ultra Multi Coated) ensuring a high transmission of light. It also offers 8 blades, though they are not rounded - not much of a problem really, since most shooting will be done wide open. Bokeh remains milky smooth right through to f/2.2.

I have shot quite a few portraits against the light and have been very impressed by the performance of this lens. Chromatic aberrations and distortion are undetectable and will go unoticed in nearly all shooting situations with this lens. I dont shoot stars, so dont ask me how it performs against the Noct nikkor when it comes to Coma and Astigmatism but the aspherical lens incuded will ensure good performance. Now, vignetting is present but i dont find it troublesome. So far the Samyang is performing quite well, but what about ghosting and flaring? Well, unlike some other reports on the net, i find this lens an excellent performer even against the sun. Maybe this second version has better coatings, i dont know, as far as i am told, both versions carry the same coatings.
Busy foregrounds and backgrounds in an orthodox christening are easily handled by the Samyang (above). Even detail shots are managed well (below), even though the minimum focusing distance is only 1m.
Last words
So its made in Korea, who cares? For 300€ you get an excellent lens with the smoothest bokeh! Is it as good as the Nikkor AF 85mm f/1.4 or even the f/1.8. Personally, i like this Samyang better for its smooth bokeh and unbeatable price. Highly recommended!

Part 2 is here (06/11/2010)


Pros:

  • Excellent wide open,
  • Very little chromatic aberrations
  • Practically zero distortion
  • Vignetting not a real concern
  • True f/1.4
  • Very good build quality
  • Excellent price-quality ratio

Cons:

  • No AF


MTF chart
As found on the internet, source unknown.




UPDATE 13/10/2010
People have been asking me where I got my lens from, so for any one interested, I purchased mine from www.photozone.gr. Very reliable source with excellent prices, recommend them wholeheartedly!

43 comments:

  1. Thank you for your excellent reports :-) Do you have a recomended place on the internet where it`s possible to buy this lens?

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  2. I bought mine from the Greek distributor.
    For the rest of you guys, all I can recommend is eBay. I have no experience with the American market, so all I can suggest is a search on ebay with the following text: samyang 85mm umc

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  3. Do you know what is the difference between the UMC model (new this year) and the earlier versions, apart from some £40-50 price difference?

    Any experience?

    Many thanks in advance,
    W.

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  4. As i mention in the article above:

    "since this version of the lens comes with an electronic chip which handles all communication with the camera. All data necessary for light measurement and aperture control are transmitted to the camera body. Flash is also fully usable and most importantly, all relevant lens paramaeters are displayed in EXIF."

    You are paying for the added electronic chip!

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  5. Hi, i wanna ask can this new Samyang 85mm f/1.4 AE IF UMC metering on a D60 camera body? please tell me, planing to get this lens.

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  6. MiraclE, the answer is yes!

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  7. I have one on order (to the UK) from the Polish Samyang distributor foto-tip.pl So far I have had only excellent impressions about them. They have been very helpful, patient, professional and friendly. Importantly they ship to the UK by UPS for about £10 - a 3 day delivery with full tracking, delivery to work address etc. They send you e-mails at each stage of the transaction - very reassuring.

    I am having lots of fun looking periodically on the UPS tracking page, observing the glass' travel through Europe.

    I'll report when I get it tomorrow ... :-)

    W.

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  8. Oh, and many thanks to John for the (patient) info. :-)
    W.

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  9. http://www.foto-tip.pl/sklep/samyang_85mm_f1_4_if_mc_aspherical_for_nikon-p-1356.html has it.... even cheaper than the 300. I bought a fish-eye at Fototip.pl before and I was very satisfied with both the optics and the dealer.

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  10. great review , i was looking to get the nikon f1.4 but now i think i will try this out first and see how it goes
    _al

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  11. Is this lens same as Rokinon 85mm f/1.4 Aspherical Lens?

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  12. The new chipped version as far as i know, is sold only under the Samyang name. If anyone knows different, please let me know

    Thanks

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  13. What camera body did you use for these images? I see you have a D300 and D5000, but these look like they were shot on an FX body... perhaps a D700? Thanks for the review, I am planning to get one soon.

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  14. Ryan,
    you're correct, the above lens was tested on the full frame Nikon D700.

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  15. I was looking for a good lens for street photography when I decided to get a Nikon 85mm f1.8D. I'm buying second hand lens for about USD 360. It's already on its way. Hopefully it's the right choice :D...

    Anyway, reading your review here, I've got a little bit 'concerned' that I've made the wrong choice. Nevermind, I should maximize what I have on hands :D...

    Personally, I think the biggest disadvantage of this Samyang lens is the manual focus. For what I need, I don't think I will be fast enough to focus it manually :-).

    Anyway, great review :-).
    Cheers.

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  16. If AF is important to you, then you cant go wrong with the Nikkor! ... unless, deep down, what you really wanted was a good portrait lens with great buttery bokeh and more sharpness across the frame when shot wide open.

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  17. Andrea - ItalyOct 6, 2010 10:31 AM

    Great review, i decided to buy this great lens after comments like this; i ordered from the polish site, just a couple of days and chip version will be mine.... :D

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  18. Μιλαμε διαβαζω τα λεγαμενα σου ξυνοντας αγρια το κεφαλι μου .
    Λες οτι αυτος ο φακος ειναι καλος τερμα ανοιχτος ? λες οτι δεν εχει προβλημα σε ca ? .
    Αριστη επιλογη σε προσιτη τιμη και πανω σε FF μηχανη εγω θα προτιμουσα καποιον Voigtlander τον 90 η τον 58 που ειναι κατα πολυ ανωτερη απο τον Samyang 85 .

    Απο MF εχει και αλλες επιλογες και εχω μερικους στην συλογη μου παλιους νικον απο το 1960 με κατι τιμεσ 50 δολλαριακια οπως ο 105 φ/2.5 και κατι αλλους που θα σου κανουν τον Samyang 85 ζημια .

    Αν θες βαλε κανενα δειγμα σε NEF να κατεβασουμε κι αν ακομη θες να σου ανεβασω και εγω μερικα να δεις τι εστι οξυτητα .
    Το MTF του Samyang 85 ειναι εξωφρενικα για κλαματα και δεν νομιζω να ειναι οπως ο νικον αυτο δεν το χωνεψα ουτε μου καθησε σοβαρα απο καθε πλευρα .

    Περιμενω δειγματα να δω σε 100% διαφορετικα τι να λεμε ?
    BTW η φωτογραφιες σου μου αρεσαν πολυ .

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  19. Με 300€ παίρνεις το ομορφότερο bokeh χωρίς να μένεις με την δίψα για παραπάνω οξύτητα. Και επιπλέον ένα αρκετά ποιοτικό προϊόν που δεν θα σου μείνει στο χέρι.

    Οπότε για αυτόν που ψάχνει για κάτι "πολύ" προσιτό, είμαι σίγουρος ότι θα μείνει εντυπωσιασμένος!

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  20. Το ομορφοτερο bokeh εγω το ειδα με τον 200 f/2 VR και με κατι leica & zeiss που εχω στην κατοχη μου χεχεχεχε.
    Το bokeh απο τον καινουργιο 85αρη της νικον μου γυρισε το κεφαλι παντως και να φανταστεις απο 85αριδες δεν τους πολυ παω μιας που εχω μανια με 90 και ανω .

    Δεν μου απαντησες δοκιμασες κανενα πολυ παλιο Νικον 105 φ/1.8 η 2.5 να δεις τι γινεται .

    Ο Samyang σαν τον καινουργιο Νικον παντως δεν ειναι ουτε να το φανταζεσαι και σε περιπτωση που βαλεις τον φακο αυτο σε καμμια D3X ΕΚΕΙ ακομη χειροτερα .
    Σε Full Frame αν δεν βαλεις κατι εξωτικο και πανακριβο μαγικα κολπα δεν βλεπεις ουτε καν να σου περασει απ' το μυαλλο .
    Εχω FF μηχανες εδω και χρονια και μεγαλη συλλογη απο διαφορους φακους και ειμαι απολυτος εδω .

    Θα σου ανεβασω μερικα RAW να δεις τι κανει η ff με καποιον πολυ καλο φακο και τι θεωρειτε καλο Bokeh .

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  21. Μάλλον δεν έχεις διαβάσει το άρθρο και δεν νομίζω ότι η σύγκριση με άλλα εστιακά μήκη βοηθά τη συζήτηση.
    Εγώ μιλάω για ένα προσιτό προϊόν που μπορεί και παράγει εκπληκτικά αποτελέσματα χωρίς αυτό να σημαίνει ότι υποβαθμίζω άλλα παρόμοια προϊόντα.
    Είναι σίγουρο, ότι τα 85-αρια της Nikon, Zeis και Leica που είναι και απλησίαστα για τον περισσότερο κόσμο, αποδίδουν άριστα, όμως αυτό δεν είναι το θέμα αυτού του review.

    Πάντως, φίλε Anonymous, αν τύχει ποτέ να κάνεις σύγκριση του samyang με κάποιο άλλο 85-αρη, θα χαρώ πολύ να μοιραστείς τα ευρήματα σου εδώ.

    Φιλικα
    Γιαννης

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  22. Προσφατα απεκτησα τον 80 1.4 Leica και ο λογος που τον αγορασα ηταν σε τιμη ευκεριας μονο $500 φυσικα μεταχειρισμενος αλλα σαν καινουργιος .
    Απο δοκιμες που τον εκανα μεχρι στιγμης ειναι ανεπαναληπτος και σε περιπτωση που βρω τον samyang θα σε ενημερωσο.
    Απο εστιακο μηκος που ειπες η διαφορα ειτε 85 ειτε 90 η 100 για εμενα προσωπικα δεν ειναι τιποτα το διαφορετικο σε Full Frame .

    Αν ψαξεις καλα αγαπητε γιαννη μπορεις να βρεις ευκεριες με πολυ προσιτες τιμες και με την καλυτερη ποιοτητα . Τελευτεα εχω μανια να κανω συλλογη παλιους φακους και εχω παθει την πλακα μου με το τι μπορει να βρεις σε φθηνη τιμη.

    George

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  23. τοτε φιλε ισως θα μπορουσες να μοιραστεις μαζι μας το τροπο να βρουμε και εμεις προσιτες και αξιοπιστες λυσεις :)

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  24. Compare the lens scheme of the Samyang with this Nikkor http://www.nikon.gr/el_GR/product/nikkor-lenses/auto-focus-lenses/fx/fixed-focus/85mm-f-1-4d-af-nikkor -> Εικόνες προϊόντος and you will see that they are identical. Comparative tests of the Samyang with the Nikkor show that it's not only a clone, but a perfect one, because it has the same strenghts and weaknesses.

    The chipped AE version of the Samyang came early this year, since late summer German retailer Foto Walser (lenses branded as Walimex) has it too. So it is to be expected, that some of the other dozens of brands will follow up too. The chipped version is essential for Nikon cameras below the D200 to have metering and automatic program support. So Nikon is the only fully supported platform. Here the AE behaves like an AF Lens with autofocus turned off. E.g. on Canon EF it as manual as an adapted M42 lens.

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  25. The Nikkor and the Samyang have nothing in their optical construction in common! They are two different designs. The Nikkor is actually old when compared to the newer Samyang that even includes an aspherical element not to mention the other differences.
    And if you look at my part 2 of this review you will see how much better the Samyang performs against the Nikkor in the CA department.

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  26. Can anyone tell me what I'd be losing if I order the Samyang 14mm chipless and put it on either a D700 or D200?

    The AE version (with chip) is outa stock... what would waiting win me?

    tx

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  27. I personally would wait for the chipped version, mush less hassle since you just mount it on your camera and everything works.

    For the non chipped lens, you will have to do some work. I cant speak for the D200, since i don't remember if it has "Non CPU lens data" entry, but with the D700 once you enter the maximum aperture, the camera will know that you are using the 14mm f/2.8 lens. But if you have more than one non-chipped lens, then you may find it irritating that you have to select the lens from a list every time you bolt it on.

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  28. Hi everyone, just received my brand new Samyang AE 85mm F1.4 today for my Nikon D300, ran into a big surprise. It doesn't autofocus @ f22 as per instructions from the manual or am i doing something wrong?

    Regine

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  29. What do you mean autofocus? ... its a manual focus lens!

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  30. John Caz,
    I thought you said that the lens was a chipped version like the 50mm 1.8D after setting it on f/22 everything is on autopilot, or did i just wasted $400 bucks?

    Regine

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  31. The Samyang 85mm f1.4 AE IF UMC Aspherical is chipped, which means exactly what i wrote in the above article:

    "this version of the lens comes with an electronic chip which handles all communication with the camera. All data necessary for light measurement and aperture control are transmitted to the camera body. Flash is also fully usable and most importantly, all relevant lens parameters are displayed in EXIF.
    Like most modern lenses this optic is an internal focus design, meaning that the front element doesn't rotate or that the lens body racks in or out while focusing."

    Nowhere in the article do i mention anything about autofocusing for this lens. On the contrary, in several spots, i praise its manual focusing capabilities, not to mention that neither I or any adverts for this lens talk about autofocusing.

    I find it hard to believe that someone would buy this lens and not realize its manual focus. It seems that you "rushed" your decision to buy this lens.

    My only advice now is to be more careful in the future.

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  32. I can't stop laughing. the guy bought this lens because he saw in a blog that a chip was available and made this lens just like the 50 1.8D. this is the new generation , internet generation. They don't wanna work and just do what a perfect stranger says and they don't even read everything. Great. Now I have a question for the big shots at Nikon's and Canon's : ehy you! why the absurd prices for gadgets that works just like the imitations? it's embarrassing how you take advantage of us.
    busted. who believed that a 1.4 lens needs to be expensive now got the proof. It doesn't HAVE to be. It's marketing and our money to bring running (and laughing) to the bank

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    1. TYVM for this great review! I have read some more, but this kinda beats them.

      I hope i won't insult you're love for Nikon by asking you which lens would you recommend me for my canon 1000d (rebel xs) -- this one or the Canon EF 85mm f/1.8 USM? -- considering the Samyang price is ~350 euros and the canon ~410e and has AF with usm.

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  33. Hi Vlad, as you have probably guessed by now, my answer is the Samyang if your primary concerns are the best bokeh for portraits. On the other hand, if you are interested in photographing anything else but portraits, the AF may be your main concern.

    So you choose,bokeh or AF, which is more important for you?

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    1. I'm relatively new in digital photography, but i want to start portrait photography, and figured that the portrait itself should be my primary concern, but now you've got me thinking :)

      I'm on a low budget though, so i've figured 400e is reasonable for a-some-quality lens to get a newbie started.

      Is AF/VR that unreliable on portraits? I'm not lazy, but wouldn't like to spend 1 minute to manual focus for a photo neighter.

      I'm going to dig deeper and see the difference in the bokeh and overall quality for these 2 lenses & if the 2/3 stops really matters.

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    2. Do you own a fast lens such as the 50mm f/1.8? If so, try using that wide open for a day in manual focus mode only and check your in-focus results. This is the only way to conclude if you will be willing to put in the extra effort of manual focusing. As i said, the choice is yours to make, do you want AF or better bokeh.

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    3. I don't own any fast lens :( and that's why i'd like one i can make quality portraits with.

      So ofcourse now i'm reading everything there is to know about portrait photography. I guess i'll have to borrow one and see the differences from AF and MF, because the real pros don't give any good advices... and i can understand that, after all experimentation is the mother of all teachings.

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    5. Dear Vlad,
      I could easily "suggest" to you to invest in the AF lens because I'm pretty sure the quality of that lens, will more than suffice or even exceed your needs. The Samyang in all respects is really a specialists lens, meaning its really for those more advanced photographers that know the pluses of using a manual focus lens.
      Sorry I couldn't be of more help :-)

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  34. Αγαπητέ Γιάννη,

    Θα ήθελα να σε ρωτήσω αν και κατά πόσο είναι εύκολη η διαδικασία εστίασης του φακού κάνοντας χρήση των D200/D300. Μήπως πρέπει να βάλω κάτι σε split screen? Ή απλά επαφίομαι στο τσιπ επιβεβαίωσης του φόκους?

    Σε όσους MF φακούς στο παρελθόν έχω δοκιμάσει κάτι παρόμοιο στις ψηφιακές μου, διαπίστωσα ότι (ΕΓΩ) θέλω αρκετό φως και...αρκετή προπόνηση για dead spot on focus.

    Θα εκτιμούσα το σχόλιό σου.

    Α.

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  35. Η αλήθεια είναι οτι η εστίαση ενός χειροκίνητου φακού θέλει θέληση, καλό μάτι και όσο το δυνατόν το μεγαλύτερο και πιο φωτεινό σκόπευτρο. Πολλοί φίλοι, μου έκαναν παράπονα ότι δεν μπορούν να εστιάσουν και εκνευριζόντουσαν όταν την ίδια στιγμή με τον ίδιο εξοπλισμό εγώ μπορούσα με άνεση. Οπότε δεν μπορώ να σου απαντήσω, πρέπει να δοκιμάσεις μόνος σου για να κρίνεις.

    Πάρε ενα φωτεινό σταθερό φακό, δικό σου ή από ένα φίλο σου (πχ 50mm f/1.8) και προσπάθησε να το χρησιμοποιήσεις για μια ολόκληρη φωτογράφηση σε χειροκίνητη εστίαση μόνο. Τότε θα ξέρεις κατά πόσο μπορείς να εστιάσεις έτσι και κατά πόσο μπορείς να ανεχθείς την παραπάνω εργασία που αυτό απαιτεί. Η εμπειρία δεν θα είναι ακριβός ίδια, εφόσον με τον 85-αρη θα είναι καλύτερη με περισσότερα νετ αποτελέσματα.

    Ελπίζω να βοήθησα
    Γιάννης

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  36. Και κάτι άλλο, πληροφοριακά σε ενημερώνω ότι προσωπικά ποτέ με καμία μηχανή μου στο παρελθόν δεν έχω χρησιμοποιήσει άλλο focusing screen από το εργοστασιακό και ούτε χρησιμοποιώ το φωτάκι επιβεβαίωσης. Βέβαια, τέτοιες επιλογές θα πρέπει ο καθένας να τις κρίνει για τον εαυτό του.

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    1. Χμ. Θα ορμήσω με τον 50άρη 1,8 afd που έχω στην κατοχή μου, και το αποτέλεσμα θα δείξει....
      Όπως αντιλαμβάνεσαι ο εν λόγω (πορτραιτο)φακός είναι ο cream machine των φτωχών, αλλά αν δεν μπορώ να τον δουλέψω (δεν είμαι επαγγελματίας, η φωτογραφία δεν είναι το βιοποριστικό μου επάγγελμα), θα είναι σαν να έχω πετάξει το Χ ποσό σε μια αγορά που δεν θα καταφέρω να...χρησιμοποιήσω καν!

      Ευχαριστώ για όλα,

      Αυγερινός

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